No time! There's never any time!!1

[botherd]

Ugh, busy busy busy. I'm moving house on Friday and packing is basically the most stressful thing ever. I have so much pointless shit! But aside from being all stressed I'm mostly kind of sadfacey about the move, because I grew up here and I can't quite imagine never being able to go back.

As if that wasn't bad enough, it means I'm going to be internetless for about a WEEK. D: Hopefully fandom won't implode while I'm gone.

Oh, thanks for the snowflake cookies, btw! Kind of annoyed that apparently you can't send them any more - I guess that maybe LJ made them free by mistake? Judging by LJ's past record I'd say they're more likely to fuck up than do something selfless and nice. ;)

Random poll, because I'm curious:

[Poll #1496393]

I love Katie/Emily SO MUCH (probs my third favourite pairing, after Naomi/Emily and Katie/Effy) and there's a crazy amount of subtext, but they're criminally underwritten in fic. IDK if that's because people just don't ship it or they're squicked by it or they feel like they ought to be squicked by it lest Pope Meg smite them, but I'm really interested in people's thoughts. :D

Comments

[rock-whirlpool.livejournal.com]

i have very wierd ideas on this kind of thing to be honest...in real life, the idea of kathryn and megan kissing is totally horrible and wrong... but the idea of emily and katie kissing seems totally fine...

i guess thats just my mind saying its fine in fiction but should never never happen irl

just my thoughts...

[botherd.livejournal.com]

I don't think that's a weird way to look at it at all! Probably most people who ship incest pairings are in the 'it's okay because it's fictional' camp.

[holeybubushka.livejournal.com]

I'm not that into Katie/Emily- but the subtext is definitely there. I watched skins three with the best friend two days ago and her jaw dropped when Katie was being all posessive of Emily in episode nine. They're relationship, but reading about a romantic relationship makes me a tad uncomfortable. Check this, though- the minute Naomi is involved I find it more intriguing/ MUCH MUCH hotter. I don't know why- it's just as wrong with Naomi there. I'm not sure how my little mind works.

Oh, and like, I'm seeing a bit of Naomi/Katie around....and I don't get it! E/K makes more sense to me. I wish I did read Naomi/Katie, because they're both sexy as fuck.

Does this mean you'll be writing them in the future? *chin hands*

Thank you for the snowflake, btw! It made me randomly hungry. Then I remembered you can't eat snow. Whoops....

[botherd.livejournal.com]

THAT ICON. ♥

Katie/Emily/Naomi is awesome! I've actually wanted to write Katie/Emily/Naomi (maybe as a triangle, maybe as a threesome) for ages, but for some reason I'm finding it difficult. I'm sure I will at some point, though.

I'm kind of intrigued by the idea of Katie/Naomi but I haven't really read any and I think it would take a really good writer to convince me.

[immortality.livejournal.com]

BUT I WANTED TO CHECK OFF BOTH BOXES

Anyway, I feel that Katie/Emily should be largely ~unspoken in fanfiction, mostly because it can come across as just sort of crass or disgusting (and this is coming from someone who seriously enjoys (fictional) incest!).

Also, I'll probably get stoned for this, but to go off what rock_whirlpool said, I'm actually not bothered by the idea of Kat and Megan kissing (in FICTION), but to be honest, I don't think I could ever read/write it.

Which is strange, really, because I've read MCR!cest (a friend rec'd it) before and was not at all bothered by it. So, Idek. Maybe I'm lying. Maybe I would read K/M, IF it was written well.

[botherd.livejournal.com]

SORRY ABOUT THE ~OPPRESSIVE RADIO BUTTONS.

Anyway, I feel that Katie/Emily should be largely ~unspoken in fanfiction, mostly because it can come across as just sort of crass or disgusting (and this is coming from someone who seriously enjoys (fictional) incest!).

I'm not really sure what you mean by that? Do you mean that fic about them shouldn't be explicit, or that fandom shouldn't talk about it, or something else? (Sorry, I'm really tired and that's making me stupid.)

I would probably read Kat/Meg (and feel kind of horrible about enjoying it) but I don't think I could write it. Mostly because I just don't ship them particularly, on account of them not having that sort of chemistry.

[flister.livejournal.com]

I kind of... I don't think it's hot because it's illegal... and there's a thing where I feel bad about it but. Yes. Hot. Okay.

And, I can't go there with the whole K/M thing. Fine if others want to, I'm not one to judge, and I'd probably end up reading it if someone wrote it but would feel pretty horrible about it. So, I'd rather not :)

I kind of like to pretend they're only related on the show, therefore not real. But it's all fiction anyway so *waves hand*.

But you know, see icon for my feelings :)

[botherd.livejournal.com]

Hee, awesome icon!

I kind of... I don't think it's hot because it's illegal...

See, for me that's totally part of why it's hot - not that it's illegal, per se, but that it's such a taboo.

I think I find the idea of K/M kind of squicky, and I'd only read it out of curiosity if someone wrote it (which they probably never will).

[smeetie.livejournal.com]

I love it in an OT3 situation. Did I mention I LOVE it an ANY OT3 situation? I don't know - I think because it was partially canon - and, this might sound weird - but it's non-procreative sex. I get totally squicked when a baby could come out of the relationship, which is why I won't read Tony/Effy. *shrugs* Don't know if that makes any sense, but sexuality rarely does.

[botherd.livejournal.com]

Don't know if that makes any sense, but sexuality rarely does.

Very true! I think there's rarely any rhyme or reason as to why we all have our own kinks/squicks (which is what makes it so interesting!).

When you say ANY OT3 situation, are you saying you'd enjoy Katie/Emily/Panda? ;)

[lazy-daze.livejournal.com]

LOL, the idea of incesty subtext is one of the things that makes me intrigued to watch Skins, as well as the given awesomeness of canon femslash, hee! INCEST. F/f is probably my least favourite kind of sibling incest (I love that I can say that) after m/m and m/f, maybe because it edges slightly closer to the potential of squick for me, especially when they're twins, BUUUT it's still fucking awesome anyway. :D \o/

[botherd.livejournal.com]

I totally get that! One of the other potential incest pairings on the show is Tony/Effy and that's borderline squicky for me because he's two years older than her and it hits a bit close to home. D:

[lovely-noise.livejournal.com]

Part of why I find it hot is definately the whole "so wrong it's right" thing, but that's not why I like reading it. I do that for their interaction and dynamci, althought this is more in relation to OT3 with Naomi stuff, haven't really read much where it's Katie/Emily only. But I do like that pairing in that larger context of a menage a trois, so it's pretty much the same thing.

As regards real life ... very likely that my opinion is totally down to being an only child, but I wouldn't find it disturbing or anything. Weird, yeah, but I'm generally in the "if it's not forced it's okay" group anyway. Although I do clearly draw the line at generational gaps, that creeps me out for any couple.

[botherd.livejournal.com]

I agree with all of that! I'm not an only child, but even though I'd find it squicky for *me* I don't really care what other people do if everyone involved consents. And, yes, cross-gen squicks me too.

[boppingalone.livejournal.com]

I love that lavender blonde :D Dude, awesome song choice.

Also, Katie/Emily - I ship it for sure, there's just too much there NOT too. However, I draw a line at incest IRL because EWWW but gimme inficest any day of the week and I'm there ;)

I agree there's just not enough of it written. Someone should get right on that.

[botherd.livejournal.com]

I've been on a total Lady Gaga kick lately. LOVE HER.

I really want to write some Katie/Emily! I have other fic commitments, but some day I'll write it. :D

[torak303.livejournal.com]

Weirdly, I found this really hard to answer. It squicks me, but if writen well it can be stupidly hot. I find the fics I think about days after reading them are Emily/Katie, I guess because there's not as much and it certainly contains more to think about.

When I first heard about incesty fic (Wincest or Twincest in HP or whatever) it was a major squick, but with Emily/Katie they're both just so fucked up, and the canon gave a weird starting point for it all, so it's a little easier to read.

PLUS IT CAN BE STUPID HOT.

[andthatisthat.livejournal.com]

I read Wincest and Petrellicest; no judging here.

Thank you for the snowflake! :D

[00emsy00.livejournal.com]

Eww!
I have a twin sister and I know feel ill.

[botherd.livejournal.com]

Sorry! I think everybody feels that way about their own siblings, but for me at least reading incest fic is COMPLETELY divorced from that. I understand why it would hit closer to home if you're a twin, though.

[fab-fairy.livejournal.com]

This was really difficult to answer, because I do find it hot, but I really can't think about it too much or it squicks me out too much.
I also couldn't really deal with it IRL - I'm firmly in the 'it's only ok if it's pretend' camp :p

[phatsonic.livejournal.com]

Yep, it's hot. I wonder if during rehearsals Meg caught the incest vibes of the scenes or if she was all Meg!face about it. Now that would be a good interview question for her.

There really isn't that much K/E out there i don't think. Your next project perhaps?

[botherd.livejournal.com]

Oh man, I think I would DIE if anyone actually asked Meg about the incest vibes. But I would love to see her reaction!

I might be writing K/E soon! Possibly for apocabigbang.

[pensierobello.livejournal.com]

Where are you moving and what will you be doing when you get there?

[musicffyou.livejournal.com]

I miss out of so much good fandom just cause I'm incapable of reading incest like stories.
I've tried and I just can't do it.
I've even read a good Naomi/Emily/Katie and it was awesome but I just didn't really enjoy just cause of the sister stuff. It makes me sad :(

[mesoterica.livejournal.com]

Embarrassing confession: I'm a twin, and I still clicked the second option. For me, though, it's less an "It's hot because they're sisters!" response and more, like, the Fitch girls' specific relationship is fascinatingly fucked-up and I want to read more, from whatever angle good writers are willing to write them. We don't have to identify with every aspect of the characters in the fiction we read just to enjoy the stories, you know? I mean, I thought The Lovely Bones was a great novel even though I am personally not dead. Just for example.

[botherd.livejournal.com]

That makes total sense! There's such a clear divide between liking something in fiction and actually wanting to live it.

Sure maybe, why not.

[21gram.livejournal.com]

Bring it. I've only come across a couple that y'know, really went there. And they were alright. If someone is a good writer and can wrangle the charactisation, motivations, and smut mechanics well, then bully, i'ma find it hot, probably. Consent stated or implied, preferably, natch.

Like something in all this RPF and slash isn't taboo in someone's head. I should think that there'd be more recs out there for K/E fic...and i suspect that there are writers sitting on it for fear of being judged. I certainly don't think it something to be ashamed to want to write or read. It might not often be a entirely successful meeting of writer and reader but in the least, it'd be a novelty to ponder. Whatever. I'm an only child too...and I sell smut on the side, so maybe i stopped being squicked awhile ago (ok, except rosebuds and bukkake...those are still bleh *shudder*)

This all said, i don't think i would buy K/M smut in a bazillion years...no matter who wrote it. Just weird. I'd read it.. but wouldn't believe it.

Yes, that is a dare, people.

(And un-ass those links for E/K, yo.)

Re: Sure maybe, why not.

[botherd.livejournal.com]

i suspect that there are writers sitting on it for fear of being judged

I think that might be true. I kind of feel like Skins fandom doesn't really go there in terms of kink - I think there's a potential readership there, whether that's for incest or anything else porn-related that's out of the mainstream, but for whatever reason people don't feel comfortable talking about or writing that stuff.

[queenbellevue.livejournal.com]

What the??? Am I the only devoted Meg-tholic here?????

[botherd.livejournal.com]

LOL apparently not the only one, but it seems like a lot of us are heretics. :D

[shadowings.livejournal.com]

Well,
a) I never saw the subtext.
b) I can't even deal with writing RPF, which theoretically doesn't have anything to do with fictional character incest, but it falls along the same lines of things I feel horrible doing in my mind.
c) I try to read everything though.
d) If it were a horribly messed up messed up dynamic then yes, I would probably love it.