botherd: (30 rock: ack!)
botherd ([personal profile] botherd) wrote2009-12-08 09:34 pm

No time! There's never any time!!1

Ugh, busy busy busy. I'm moving house on Friday and packing is basically the most stressful thing ever. I have so much pointless shit! But aside from being all stressed I'm mostly kind of sadfacey about the move, because I grew up here and I can't quite imagine never being able to go back.

As if that wasn't bad enough, it means I'm going to be internetless for about a WEEK. D: Hopefully fandom won't implode while I'm gone.

Oh, thanks for the snowflake cookies, btw! Kind of annoyed that apparently you can't send them any more - I guess that maybe LJ made them free by mistake? Judging by LJ's past record I'd say they're more likely to fuck up than do something selfless and nice. ;)

Random poll, because I'm curious:

[Poll #1496393]

I love Katie/Emily SO MUCH (probs my third favourite pairing, after Naomi/Emily and Katie/Effy) and there's a crazy amount of subtext, but they're criminally underwritten in fic. IDK if that's because people just don't ship it or they're squicked by it or they feel like they ought to be squicked by it lest Pope Meg smite them, but I'm really interested in people's thoughts. :D

[identity profile] immortality.livejournal.com 2009-12-08 09:53 pm (UTC)(link)
BUT I WANTED TO CHECK OFF BOTH BOXES

Anyway, I feel that Katie/Emily should be largely ~unspoken in fanfiction, mostly because it can come across as just sort of crass or disgusting (and this is coming from someone who seriously enjoys (fictional) incest!).

Also, I'll probably get stoned for this, but to go off what [livejournal.com profile] rock_whirlpool said, I'm actually not bothered by the idea of Kat and Megan kissing (in FICTION), but to be honest, I don't think I could ever read/write it.

Which is strange, really, because I've read MCR!cest (a friend rec'd it) before and was not at all bothered by it. So, Idek. Maybe I'm lying. Maybe I would read K/M, IF it was written well.
Edited 2009-12-08 21:54 (UTC)

[identity profile] botherd.livejournal.com 2009-12-08 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
SORRY ABOUT THE ~OPPRESSIVE RADIO BUTTONS.

Anyway, I feel that Katie/Emily should be largely ~unspoken in fanfiction, mostly because it can come across as just sort of crass or disgusting (and this is coming from someone who seriously enjoys (fictional) incest!).

I'm not really sure what you mean by that? Do you mean that fic about them shouldn't be explicit, or that fandom shouldn't talk about it, or something else? (Sorry, I'm really tired and that's making me stupid.)

I would probably read Kat/Meg (and feel kind of horrible about enjoying it) but I don't think I could write it. Mostly because I just don't ship them particularly, on account of them not having that sort of chemistry.

[identity profile] rock-whirlpool.livejournal.com 2009-12-08 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)
i just CANT ship kat and meg in real life because...can you imagine megs horror? her face would just kill me/make me laugh so hard i die...

[identity profile] immortality.livejournal.com 2009-12-09 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
I meant it like, I prefer it to be something that's unspoken between the characters and maybe even to themselves. I have read some rather nice stories where Katie and Emily were actively fucking, but it was done in a way of like -- well, this is just how we roll, rather than just a huge issue or in a whole 'this is definitely not consensual sort of way.' If that makes sense. I think obviously it's canon that Katie's love sometimes is a bit more than sisterly, but I can't really see Katie EVER wanting to talk about this or even thinking that it's NOT sisterly (same as Emily, who probably balks at it sometimes, like we've seen, but generally thinks absolutely NOTHING of it). That's the sort of K/E I like -- with moments of them accidentally thinking wrong things about each other, etc, etc.

I don't even know if that makes sense. I was babbling.

I honestly don't feel horrible about enjoying Kat/Meg because it's (FICTIONAL) sibling incest. Anything beyond sibling incest squicks me because I hate the imbalance of power due to age. But I don't really see a problem with it, but maybe it's because I write RPF all the time. *shrugs*

(I probably wouldn't write it, mostly because I don't think I could actually do it well, but I'd definitely read it.)

[identity profile] botherd.livejournal.com 2009-12-09 07:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, that makes sense. I think that what you said about not seeing Katie ever want to talk about it is one of the reasons why I've been finding K/E so hard to write, because it makes it so difficult to get them to that place where they're fucking or whatever.

I don't have any problem with incest RPF as a rule (although like you, only sibling stuff) but Kat/Meg is borderline-squicky for me, maybe because we "know" them. Like, I couldn't give a shit about Jonascest or Waycest or whatever, but Kat and Meg feel a bit more like real people to me. If that makes sense.

[identity profile] immortality.livejournal.com 2009-12-10 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
Yes and yes.

But for me, the Kat and Meg that I see in my head are very, very different from even the Kat and Meg we see in interviews and whatnot, so. *shrugs*